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Joan, w. of Sir Reginald de Valletort, hadat least one illegitimate childwith Richard [meaning Richard de Cornwall]. [Ancestral Roots]
Jeanne de Valletort. [Burke's Peerage]
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The following post to SGM, 10 Sep 1998, by John Carmi Parsons, hasJoan aswife of Ralph de Valletort, younger brother of Reginald de Valletort (whom. Joan Basset).
From: John Carmi Parsons (jparsons@chass.utoronto.ca)
Subject: Joan de Valletort and Richard of Cornwall
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1998/09/10
This material is intended primarily for Todd Farmerie but will be ofgeneral interest.
On the marriages of Joan de Valletort/Vautort, mistress of Richard ofCornwall and the mother of at least one of his illegitimate children,Joan wife of Richard Champernowne of Modbury [**Note: This post, whichseems to say that Richard Champernoun's wife was a daughter of Richard ofCornwall, is I think in error on that point. Richard Champernoun's wifeis said to be a half-sister of James de Okeston by this Joan.**]:
Joan'sparentage is unknown. She must not be confused with the JoanBasset of Headington who married our Joan's elder brother Reginald deVautort (d.s.p. 1245/46).Onthe Vautorts see Sanders, _English Baronies_,pp. 90-91. It may be noted thatshortly after the death of Joan's sonReginald de Vautort, his heir for the barony of Trematon, an uncle Roger(d. 1298?) sold the entire barony to Richard of Cornwall himself.
Our Joan's first husband was Ralph de Valletort/Vautort of Trematon d.1256, younger son but ultimately heir of Roger de V. of Trematond. 1206?by his wife Alice (parentage unknown). By Ralph Joan had one son,Reginald, still underage 1257, d. by 1269 (Sanders says 1270). Joan deVautort was living 1299 by which time she had also married, before Feb.1270, Alexander de Oxton/ Okeston and then Andrew de Trellek/Trelluk(E.B. Powley, _The House of de la Pomeray_ [Liverpool, 1944], pp. 36-37).
At the morrow of All Souls' at the end of 5 Edw I (= CE 1277), Andrew deTreslok and Joan de Vautort his wife had an action before the Exchequertouching Joan's dower lands from her marriage to Ralph de Vautort (Plearoll of the Exchequer 6 Edw I, Public RecordOffice E13/6 m. 6r). So byNov. 1277 Alexander de Okeston was dead and Joan had already marriedTrellek.
I am not sure, however, that Joan de Vautort/Okeston/Trellek was themother of all Richard of Cornwall's illegitimate children.Certainly JoanChampernowne was her daughter, and probably her son was the Richard deCornwalle who is said to have fallen at Berwick in 1297, leaving issuebyJoan[fitz Alan of Oswestry?] his wife (Reade, _The House of Cornwewall[1908]).
Richard of Cornwall's son Philip, however, occurs as a cleric in1248,when he was dispensed to hold an additional benefice with cure ofsouls. This must meanthat he was of canonical age to be a fully ordainedpriest, which at that timemeant at least 25 years old. So he could nothave been born any later than ca1223, which obviously means Richard ofCornwall, b. 1209, must have fathered him at a very early age indeed(which is by no means impossible).
The dates and careers of Richard of Cornwall's other natural children donot conform closely to the supposition that they were born so early inhis life, and I tend to think they were sired during one of Richard'speriods of widowhood, either between the death of his first wife IsabellaMarshal in 1240 and his secondmarriage to Sancha of Provence in 1243, orafter Sancha died in 1261 and before his 1269third marriage to Beatrixvon Falkenberg.
John Parsons
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