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_Winifred Barcelona _____________
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_SUNIFRED, Count de Urgel ________|_________________________________
| (0878 - 0948) m 0920
_Raymond II Borrell, Count of Barcelona _|
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| | _Armengol ' Toulouse ____________
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| |_Richilde de Rouergue ____________|_Adelaide de Toulouse ___________
| (0892 - 0954) m 0920 (0858 - ....)
_RAYMOND Borrell I of Barcelona _|
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| | _Raymond II of Toulouse _________+
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| | _Raimond III Toulouse ____________|_Guidenilde of Toulouse _________
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| |_Ledgarde de Rouergue ___________________|
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| |_Garsinde Bertha De Gascogne _____|_________________________________
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|--Godehilde\Adelaida Borrell
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| _Asnarius Comminges _____________
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| _Arnaud-I Count of Comminges _____|_________________________________
| | (0898 - 0957) m 0940
| _Roger I Count of Carcassonne ___________|
| | (0945 - 1012) m 0970 |
| | | _Acfred II Count of Carcassonne _+
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| | |_Arsinde Countess of Carcassonne _|_________________________________
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|_Ermensinde of Carcassonne ______|
(0975 - ....) |
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| _Bernard II Comte de Melgueil ____|_________________________________
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|_Adelaide de Saintonge Melgueil _________|
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Also Known As:<_AKA> Stephanie /Bigorre/ [jweber6A.ged]
[g] Roger, son of Count Rodulf married, in Spain, Stephanie, sister of Raymond Berenger; which lady afterwards m. Garsias, King of Spain. This agrees with the statement of Ademar, that he m. a da. (unnamed) of the widowed Ermensede, Countess of Barcelona, the mother of Raymond above named. If this Roger were Roger de Toeni, he married Godeheut while his 1st wife was alive, and Stephanie m. Garsias III, King of Navarre,while Roger was living. [Complete Peerage XII/1:756 note (g)]
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Roger Toeni's 1st wife, Stephanie, is questioned by some; especially her 2nd marriage to Garcias of Spain while Toeni was still alive. I agree that it does not make much sense. However, Roger was fighting battles in Spain and could have "married" a Spanish lady whom he later "divorced" when he returned to Normandy. It has been speculated that Stephanie was mother of Robert de Toeni of Belvoir (as opposed to the younger son Robert deStafford) and of a Berenger de Toeni, whose ancestry is not known, but is likely (especially with the name) to be a son of Roger & Stephanie.
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!Following copied from a post by Bryant Smith to the soc.genealogy.medieval newgroup: From:Bryant Smith (skip31@racsa.co.cr) Subject: STEPHANIE OF BARCELONA AND HER FOURFATHERS Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval Date: 2001-12-12 09:14:14 PST
"Success has a thousand fathers but failure is an orphan" (JFK,misquoting Count Galeazzo Ciano's "Victory finds a thousand fathers but defeat is always an orphan") and by that measure Estafania was moderately successful, for she has found at least four fathers. These four alternative fathers, with samples of their sponsors, are:
1. Bernard-Roger de Foix. Said by TAF to be the "traditional" one, and found as such in ES and, probably based on that, in Brian Tomsett's database, in the Theroff text files, in the Roglo database, andelsewhere.As recently as July 14, 1999, TAF was able to write "... all Iberian works with which I am familiar (and as recent as 1996) are unitedin calling the Queen of Navarre the daughter, not of Ramon Borrel and Ermesende, but of her brother Bernard, Count of Bigorre, and sister of the Queen of Aragon." This is vintage TAF obscurantism, but becomes clear when you read "Queen of Navarre" as Sephanie the wife of Garcia IV/VSanchez of Navarre and "Queen of Aragon" as Gerberge, undoubted daughter of Bernard-Roger and wife of Ramiro I Sanchez of Aragon,
2. Ramon I Borel of Barcelona, husband of the Ermesinda rejected by allIberian works with which TAF was familiar in mid-1999. This pastDecember 8TAF wrote that the Roger-Bernard paternity "is based on a late source, and a more contemporary one calls her daughter of the Countess Ermesende. (This Catalonian variant has only become popular within the last several years.)" Tempora mutantur et nos in eis mutamur?
3. Ramon Berenguer I of Barcelona, grandson son of Ramon I Borel andErmesinda. Keats-Rohan is said to have called him the father of Stephanie in K S B Keats-Rohan *Domesday People: A Prosopography of Persons occurring in English Documents,1066-1166* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge, 1999), according to Richard Borthwick who said in this NG,January 14 1999(in anannotated AT of William (II) d' Aubigny of Belvoir) that "The wife of Roger was Estefania/Stephanie (not Adelaide) sister of Ramon Berenguer I and not his daughter as claimed by Keats-Rohan."
4. Berenguer Ramon I of Barcelona, son of#2 and father of #3. This is Borthwick's horse and is, incidentally, also backed by a pre-1996 Iberian work with which TAF was evidentally unfamiliar in 1999, even though ithad been mentioned in this NG on 19 January 1997 by Valerio P.Lucchinetti: "According to Diccionario de Historia de Espana, dir.by German Bleiberg, Madrid 1979, Queen Estefania,
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| _Richard Belgrave _____+
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| _John Belgrave ________|_Elizabeth Hadelstone _
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|_Tomasine Belgrave _____|
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