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Ronald H. Hoffman (ronhoffman#yahoo.com)
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Adam, son of Herbert, lord of llanllywel and of Betesley, or Beachly, on the Severn, who m. Christian, dau and h of Gwaryn Ddu (the Dark), lord of Llandeilo, whose residence, Gwern Ddu, was sitmacted near Abergavenny, where the remains and name still exist, with a once celebrated well - and in the church of that twon is a stone figure representing a female, with the arms of Gwaryn Ddu upon it, believed to have been part of the tomb of Christian. [Annals and Antiquities of Wales II:776]
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Adam discarded the Fitz-Herbert and wrote his name Adam ap Reginald. Adam married Christian, daughter of 'the great Welshman," Gwarin Des of Gwern Ddu. Burke says, "Gwarin Dhu (Black Lord) of Gwarnddu or Gwernddu lived in great magnificence at Abergavenny."
Adam and Christian had three sons. The one that inherited the English property was knighted as Sir Thomas Herbert. The older one was, of course, Lord of Lan-Howel. The younger one was Jenkin ap Adam, Lord of Gwernddu and lived at Abergavenny (title and property from mother). [Genealogies of Virginia Families III:110]
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Adam FitzHerbert, Lord, by inheritance from his grandmother, of llanllowe, and of Bettwicy or Beachley. He m. Christian, dau. and heir of Gwarin Ddu, the "Black Lord" of Llandilo, a mansion of great magnificence near Abergavenny, afterwards designated Gwarinddu, now Wernddu, and by her had two sons. [Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, & Extinct Peerages 271]
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Note: It is unclear as to why he chose to be Adam ap Reginald, Adam ap Cynhaethwy, or Adam ap Reginald Cynhaethwy. Many sourced histories show that his father was named Herbert. He may have adopted the name of his great-grandfather because he was the first fuedal lord of the FitzHerberts to have holdings in Wales. This has caused a great deal of confusion as to his lineage. Burke's Peerage & Bartrum have his ancestry to Godwin and it is interesting to note that Alice verch Bletin (or Bleddin) Broadspeare, no matter who the souce, always falls in the lineage as paternal grandmother. The supposition has been made that Adam was trying to become "Welsh" and loose his Norman heritage at a time when the Welsh were in a great deal of upheaval. If this were the case, it has caused a great deal of misalignment of the lineage. What does seem to hold true about the lineage of Adam here is that (1) the Herbert's of Wales enjoyed a great deal of power under the English reign as well as (2) the FitzHerbert's who descended out of Herbert of Winchester - suggesting some sort of a tie, (3) the name itself, which in this lineage connection stopped with Adam, yet again appears as the surname of William, Earl of Pembroke, again suggesting a tie, (4) Herbert is not a name that is a name common to the Welsh or Britains - it is more common to the Normans.
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