[34781] 2nd Wife
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Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom; GE Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd
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Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom; GE Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd
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Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom; GE Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd
_Humphrey III De Bohun ___________________________________+
| (1109 - 1187)
_Humphrey IV De Bohun ________________|_Margaret de Gloucester __________________________________
| (1143 - 1182) m 1175 (1126 - 1146)
_Henry De Bohun _____________________|
| (1177 - 1220) m 1178 |
| | _Henry, Earl of Huntingdon _______________________________+
| | | (1114 - 1152) m 1139
| |_Margaret of Scotland ________________|_Adelaide De Warenne _____________________________________
| (1144 - 1201) m 1175 (.... - 1178)
_Humphrey V De Bohun 2nd Earl Hereford & Essex_|
| (1208 - 1275) m 1226 |
| | _Piers de Lutegareshale __________________________________
| | |
| | _Geoffrey IV Fitzpiers _______________|_Maud De Mandeville ______________________________________
| | | (.... - 1213)
| |_Maud Heiress of Essex Fitzgeoffrey _|
| (1181 - 1236) m 1178 |
| | _William De Saye _________________________________________+
| | | (1133 - 1177)
| |_Beatrice De Saye ____________________|_Aufrica de Scotland _____________________________________
| (1169 - 1197) (1138 - ....)
|
|--Eleanor De Bohun
| (1278 - 1278)
| __________________________________________________________
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| ______________________________________|__________________________________________________________
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| _Raoul I De Lusignan Count d'Eu______|
| | (1164 - 1219) m 1191 |
| | | __________________________________________________________
| | | |
| | |______________________________________|__________________________________________________________
| |
|_MAUD d' Lusignan De Eu _______________________|
(1208 - 1241) m 1226 |
| _JOHN Count De Eu ________________________________________+
| | (1113 - 1170)
| _HENRY Count d' Eu, Lord Of Hastings _|_ALICE De Albini _________________________________________
| | (1155 - ....) (1137 - 1188)
|_ALICE Countess De Eu _______________|
(1180 - 1246) m 1191 |
| _Hamelin De Warenne Of Anjou Plantagenet Earl Of Surrey 5_+
| | (1129 - 1202) m 1164
|_Maud De Warenne Plantagenet _________|_Isabel De Warenne _______________________________________
(1154 - 1212) (.... - 1203)
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He[John de Verdun] married, 2ndly, before 1267, Eleanor (f). He is saidto have died 21 October 1274. His widow was living, 10 June 1278.[Complete Peerage XII/2:246-8, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(f) Presumably his son Humphrey, b. on the vigil of Pentecost 1267, wasby the 2nd wife. Nothing is known of Eleanor's parentage but she may havebeen a Bohun. A seal, said to be hers, bears the Bohun and Verdun armsand the name of her son, Humphrey, may be significant.
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From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@msn.com)
Subject: Re: Eleanor de Verdun, and her daughter, Maud, wife of John deGrey, of Wilton
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-01-16 07:08:57 PST
Dear Newsgroup ~
Since making my post onEleanor (de Bohun) de Verdun yesterday, I'vechecked my files and found further confirmation which I believeconclusively proves that Eleanor was the daughter of Humphrey de Bohun(died 1275), Earl of Hereford and Essex. The evidence consists of twoseparate cases of consanguinity among descendants of Eleanor (de Bohun)de Verdun where they intermarried with their Bohun related kinfolk.
In the first instance, my notes record that there was a papaldispensation recorded in 1334, for the marriage of Maud de Grey and Johnde Lisle, 2nd Lord Lisle, of Rougement. As I recall, this dispensation ismentioned by Complete Peeragesub Lisle. Maud and John were stated to berelated in the 4th degree in their petition for a dispensation (i.e.,third cousins to each other). Maud de Grey was great-granddaughter ofEleanor (de Bohun) de Verdun. John de Lisle was great-grandson of Alice(de Bohun) de Tony.If the degree of kinship was correctly stated in thepapal registers, it wouldappear that Maud's ancestress, Eleanor de Bohun,and John's ancestress, Alice de Bohun, were sisters. Since Alice is knownto have been a daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Essex(died 1275), this in turn tells us that Eleanor was daughter of the sameHumphrey de Bohun.
In the second instance, my notes record there was a papal inquiry in 1334regarding the marriage of Margaret Basset and John de Bohun, Earl ofHereford and Essex. Margaret Basset wasa great-granddaughter of Eleanor(de Bohun)de Verdun. Margaret and her husband, John, were closelyrelated, but my notes don't tell how closely related the two partieswere, if the degree of kinship was stated. To resolve the question ofkinship, the Pope summoned a host of relatives of the young couple. Amongthose summoned were several of Margaret Basset's Grey relatives as wellas Alice de Tony, widow of Walter de Beauchamp, and her daughter andson-in-law, Margaret and Robert de Lisle. The people required to givetestimony presumably all hada tie to the Bohun family. If nothing else,this document provides added evidence that the Greys, Tonys, Beauchampsand Lisles all share a common descent from the Bohun family.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
He [John de Verdun] married, 2ndly, before 1267, Eleanor (f). He is saidto have died 21 October 1274. His widow was living, 10 June 1278.[Complete Peerage XII/2:246-8, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(f) Presumably his son Humphrey, b. on the vigil of Pentecost 1267, wasby the 2nd wife. Nothing is known of Eleanor's parentage but she may havebeen a Bohun. A seal, said to be hers, bears the Bohun and Verdun armsand the name of her son, Humphrey, may be significant.
From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@msn.com)
Subject: Re: Eleanor de Verdun, and her daughter, Maud, wife of John deGrey, of Wilton
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-01-16 07:08:57 PST
Dear Newsgroup ~
Since making my post on Eleanor (de Bohun) de Verdun yesterday, I'vechecked my files and found further confirmation which I believeconclusively proves that Eleanor was the daughter of Humphrey de Bohun(died 1275), Earl of Hereford and Essex. The evidence consists of twoseparate cases of consanguinity among descendants of Eleanor (de Bohun)de Verdun where they intermarried with their Bohun related kinfolk.
In the first instance, my notes record that there was a papaldispensation recorded in 1334, for the marriage of Maud de Grey and Johnde Lisle, 2nd Lord Lisle, of Rougement. As I recall, this dispensation ismentioned by Complete Peerage sub Lisle. Maud and John were stated to berelated in the 4th degree in their petition for a dispensation (i.e.,third cousins to each other). Maud de Grey was great-granddaughter ofEleanor (de Bohun) de Verdun. John de Lisle was great-grandson of Alice(de Bohun) de Tony. If the degree of kinship was correctly stated in thepapal registers, it would appear that Maud's ancestress, Eleanor deBohun, and John's ancestress, Alice de Bohun, were sisters. Since Aliceis known to have been a daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Herefordand Essex (died 1275), this in turn tells us that Eleanor was daughter ofthe same Humphrey de Bohun.
In the second instance, my notes record there was a papal inquiry in 1334regarding the marriage of Margaret Basset and John de Bohun, Earl ofHereford and Essex. Margaret Basset was a great-granddaughter of Eleanor(de Bohun) de Verdun. Margaret and her husband, John, were closelyrelated, but my notes don't tell how closely related the two partieswere, if the degree of kinship was stated. To resolve the question ofkinship, the Pope summoned a host of relatives of the young couple. Amongthose summoned were several of Margaret Basset's Grey relatives as wellas Alice de Tony, widow of Walter de Beauchamp, and her daughter andson-in-law, Margaret and Robert de Lisle. The people required to givetestimony presumably all had a tie to the Bohun family. If nothing else,this document provides added evidence that the Greys, Tonys, Beauchampsand Lisles all share a common descent from the Bohun family.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
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Records of Geneva Monroe
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Records of Geneva Monroe
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Records of Geneva Monroe
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Records of Geneva Monroe
_Thomas Gardner _____
| (1572 - 1635)
_Thomas Gardner _____|_Elizabeth White ____
| (1592 - 1674) m 1616
_Richard Gardner Sr._|
| (1623 - 1688) |
| | _____________________
| | |
| |_Margaret Frier _____|_____________________
| (1594 - 1659) m 1616
_Richard Gardner Jr._|
| (1653 - ....) |
| | _____________________
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| | _Samuel Shattuck ____|_____________________
| | |
| |_Sarah Shattuck _____|
| (.... - 1724) |
| | _____________________
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| |_____________________|_____________________
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|--Richard Gardner III
| (.... - 1724)
| _____________________
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| _____________________|_____________________
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| _Joseph Austin ______|
| | (1616 - 1653) m 1649|
| | | _____________________
| | | |
| | |_____________________|_____________________
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|_Mary Austin ________|
(1655 - 1721) |
| _Edward Starbuck ____
| | (1584 - ....)
| _Edward Starbuck ____|_____________________
| | (1604 - ....)
|_Sarah Starbuck _____|
(1620 - 1713) m 1649|
| _William Reynolds ___+
| | (1560 - ....) m 1580
|_Katherine Reynolds _|_Esther Ruth Roth ___
(1609 - 1690) (1560 - ....)
_John Pottenger _____
| (1638 - 1710)
_John Pottenger _____|_____________________
| (1662 - 1735) m 1686
_Samuel Pottenger ___|
| (1693 - 1735) m 1717|
| | _Ninian Beall _______+
| | | (1625 - 1717)
| |_Mary Beall _________|_Ruth Moore _________
| (1657 - 1720) m 1686
_Robert Pottenger ___|
| (1728 - 1780) m 1753|
| | _Robert Tyler _______
| | | (1637 - 1673) m 1663
| | _Robert Tyler _______|_Joanna Ravens ______
| | | (1671 - ....) m 1694 (1649 - 1675)
| |_Elizabeth Tyler ____|
| (1701 - 1738) m 1717|
| | _Mareen Duvall ______+
| | | (1630 - 1694) m 1673
| |_Susannah Duvall ____|_Susannah Brasseur __
| (1676 - 1716) m 1694 (1655 - 1692)
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|--Susanna Pottenger
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| _____________________
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| _____________________|_____________________
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| _William Willet _____|
| | (1706 - ....) |
| | | _____________________
| | | |
| | |_____________________|_____________________
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|_Elizabeth Willett __|
(1732 - 1779) m 1753|
| _____________________
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| _____________________|_____________________
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|_Mary Unknown _______|
(1709 - ....) |
| _____________________
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|_____________________|_____________________
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